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Published Date:
03 March 2010
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Those are the words of writer Evelyn Beatrice Hall in 1906 when she compiled the biography of the philosopher Voltaire and they are the words that form the basis of modern definitions of freedom of speech.

A far-right group that is deplored among mainstream society and feared by many communities has chosen Aylesbury as a platform for it to air its views.

The people of Aylesbury have been credited in the past for their ability to unite against extremism.

We must trust in their good sense to turn their backs on any abhorrent views once again.

In 2005 the community pulled together and a tremendous amount of work was done, by people of all colours and religions, to address the tensions that arose when it turned out that one of our own blew up a train on 7/7.

Back then we said his views were not representative of the vast majority of Aylesbury and now we must stand as one again against another minority in our locality that want to stir up hatred and tell them their views do not represent modern day Britain.

The group hides behind the thin veil of being against radical extremism, yet many of its members are too ashamed to show their faces, choosing instead to wear balaclavas or hooded tops to cover their faces.

The very existence of the group should be called into question.

Every right-minded person in society deplores extremism of any kind so for these people to try to address the issue through the violence with which they are associated is hypocritical, at best.

They are fanning the flames of extremist views but of a different kind and that is something we all should reject.

Local members of the Aylesbury Division of EDL should look around and
see that the area is moving on, it is progressing and making the town infamous because of its associations with far-right groups like this would knock us back several years.

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  • Last Updated: 04 March 2010 1:55 PM
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Scout1000,

Aylesbury 04/03/2010 13:29:34
Surely the best way to deal with this threat to our peaceful cultural co-existence is to ignore the demonstration. If there is no audience then there is no point of continuing. As long as none of the minority groups this organisation is so against don’t react to the presence then what has the demonstration achieved. The problem comes when people take up the challenge and react to the demo as this fuels and reinforces these people’s prejudices and acts as justification to them. The newspapers and TV will not report a peaceful demo where nothing happened as it’s not news.
So in essence

DON’T GIVE THEM THE PUBLICITY THEY CRAVE
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jonnie 5,

aylesbury 04/03/2010 14:36:09
If we truly believe in free speech should we let the EDL explain who they are.....

"The EDL are wrongly painted as racists, Nazis and Muslim haters. This simply isn’t true. We do know that some groups have tried to cause trouble, and that some “agent provocateurs” have instigated trouble, groups such as Combat 18, Blood And Honour, Antifa, UAF, their Communist sympathisers and anarchists. As a movement we have been attacked by the far left and the far right, we have had to endure a state sponsored smear campaign used against us from the offset by the state controlled political elite media machine. Apparently we are Nazis because we love our country, because we have the backbone to stand firm in the face of Islamic adversity rather than ignore it, hoping it will go away.

We set out our stall very early on, we are not racist, we don’t like Nazis, we don’t want Nazis joining our demos. We embrace patriotism as something that transcends race, religion, creed and colour. A love for our country is not a crime, a love for freedom is not a crime, but a need for security and the removal of those who pose a threat is just common sense.......

The EDL are a multi ethnic, multi religious movement and we are proud of that. We laugh at all those who attack us for being “race traitors”, we mock those who call us “Nazis and racists” we are the EDL, we are neither of those things, we never will be. In fact our main speaker at demonstrations, Guramit Singh is a Sikh of Indian origin. The far left dismissed him as an "uncle Tom", a phrase which I would find quite offensive. This is a tone they have adopted when referring to any of our members who are not "white" in order for them to continue with their campaign against us."

To call these people extremist seems a little far fetched, just because a football club has a hooligan element does this mean that the football club is extremist? If so almost every club in the country is as you say "extremist"......

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jonnie 5,

04/03/2010 14:53:42
Surely the non extremist thing to do is let these people have there say, let people listen without fear, let them hear the other side of the argument by picking apart any incorrect facts, and let people make their own mind up.
I find the need to tarnish the EDL patronising, and bears the trade marks of a nanny state.
If the demonstration was against christianity would we be so worried? I think not?
The article claims to believe in free speech but then what follows smacks of far left rhetoric. What are you afraid of? That the problem within might rise up in anger? I think the fuss that has surrounded this is insulting to all moderate muslims who shouldn't give a damn, and all intelligent people who can make up their own mind without the rhetoric. The paper seems to me to be assuming we are all extremist muslims who need appeasing or stupid people.
As Scout 1000 said you have created this storm in a tea cup yourselves by publicising it so much- sells papers though!!! (Yes it does, good work guys -Ed)
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Mari H.,

04/03/2010 16:39:51
Once again the author of the "Voice of the Paper" is either playing devil's advocate or is just clearly (yet again) out of step with local opinion, that's if the voting on 'English Defence League should be allowed to protest in Aylesbury?' is anything to go on.

At the time of posting it stands at 73% Yes, 27% No.
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OvidK,

Aylesbury 04/03/2010 22:43:18
The English Defence League are hardly about the defence of England. They are extremists who have have created mayhem and violence where ever they've demonstrated, with windows smashed and Asian families terrorised. Look at what happened in Stoke recently. They actually broke into a police van and stole riot shields. No way should they be allowed into Aylesbury. If they are allowed here, no family will be safe in the town centre on May 2nd.
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Sal Peppa,

Aylesbury 04/03/2010 23:01:39
Wasn't there a guy from the EDL from Aylesbury arrested in the fracas in Edinburgh? What was he doing up there creating trouble? It looks like that's what will happen here. People will travel to the town to create trouble. It's not about free speech at all. It's about intimidation.
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Joan Smith,

Aylesbury 05/03/2010 11:49:10
The EDL are a bunch of thugs masquerading under the guise of a 'political organisation'.

If this "protest" is speculative then we need to send the message loud and clear before they confirm their plans:

You are not welcome here, we don't want you or your racist, intolerant and vicious views in our town.

Their brand of gangsterism and violence has no place in Aylesbury, which for years has been growing into a strong multi-ethnic and thriving community.

We need to unite and make this crystal clear.
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lorna don,

Aylesbury 05/03/2010 12:08:02
jonnie 5 writes "The EDL are wrongly painted as racists, Nazis and Muslim haters. This simply isn’t true.” Oh no? The EDL makes three claims - they're distinct from the BNP, they don’t advocate violence; and they're opposed to racism. If you look at the evidence, I don’t think any of these stand up.

Firstly, some leaked documents from a Milton Keynes BNP member have revealed that EDL hooligans – a.k.a. the Men in Gear – played a key role in the Luton BNP branch. A man arrested for using abusive language during EDL demonstrations in Luton turned out to be a well known former National Front member. Luton is the EDL’s base and there is a historical link between Luton Town football hooligans and far-right politics.

Secondly, the EDL makes out they’re always innocent bystanders and tries to put the blame on people like Unite Against Fascism for any violence. But the UAF was not present during the two disturbances in Luton, including the one last May when 300 EDL activists went on the rampage, overturning cars, smashing windows and attacking passers-by. And the EDL Luton Division Facebook page actualy suggests ways of attacking the police.

Thirdly, the EDL makes banners bearing the slogan “black and white unite and fight” - so why do all photographs of their “protestors” never show anybody other than white people?

I think most people in Aylesbury know exactly where the EDL are coming from and won’t fall for their lies.
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jonnie 5,

05/03/2010 14:21:20
Firstly just to confirm it wasn't me who said the above quotes - that was a quote extracted from their website. I have no affiliation with the EDL and my interest in the issue has only been sparked by the paper's inflammatory reporting.
I do however believe it is hardly surprising that an organisation that seems to represent an "anti muslim extremist" view point would include people from many parts of society including football hooligans.
I also think its hardly surprising that BNP and National front members agree with the EDL viewpoint in some form. I would also comment that many National Front supporters and BNP supporters also support football teams, and also go shopping in tescos. That does not mean that all Football supporters and all people who go shopping in tescos have the same views as the National Front does it???? Attempting to tarnish the name of one moderate organisation with the views of some subsets of that group makes me believe that you have some alterior motive? And as someone who had no interest in the EDL makes me want to know more that you are trying so hard to keep me away from this by spreading this pathetic rhetoric?
Did the picture of the EDL on the front page of the Bucks Herald not contain people of various race? Maybe my copy was a bit blurred but it appeared to me to contain various races..
It does not surprise me again that there are more hardcore elements who support or follow the EDL, the very nature of the issue would draw those people toward it. That does not mean that there is not an element of good in what the organisation stands for.
The EDL says on their website they also believe that a lack of second generation Muslims running mosques is contributing to the radicalisation of muslims in the UK. What is wrong with that?
If you have something useful to say please post but simply trying to tarnish the name is a bit weak...
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Mari H.,

05/03/2010 14:47:29
Is there any reason the online poll as to whether the EDL should be allowed to protest in Aylesbury has been removed, or is my browser playing up again?
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